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Apr. 15th, 2008 | 03:32 pm
posted by: glitterophelia in untreated_pain

Anyone here use Kratom or Phenocane for pain?

I haven't used Phenocane in ages due to cost. I just got some Kratom off a seller on ebay for a reasonable price, and am using it today for the first time in a year. It's not a prescription med, but it helps. I was able to clean the house up a bit without the usual pain that I normally have, and even called my dad (I felt much calmer for some reason too, I think it was another effect of it).

I can't afford to get this much but I love it when I can. Plus, if it weren't for kratom I would have had a HORRIBLE time quitting vicodin. It made going off vicodin so much easier.

If any of you want more information there's a great forum for information here.

On another note, sadly, I think there are some states where it's illegal or they are trying to make it illegal...So you may want to find out the laws in your state, too.

If you have any questions let me know!

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KratomForum.com is dead, Try KratomChat.com instead

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 12th, 2008 11:50 am (UTC)
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KratomForim.com shut down recently. A brand new one is up at KratomChat.com but it needs people like you to link to it and share your experiences there.

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Re: KratomForum.com is dead, Try KratomChat.com instead

from: glitterophelia
date: Sep. 12th, 2008 02:55 pm (UTC)
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Here's the new Kratom forum...

http://www. kratomconnoisseurs. com/

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Re: KratomForum.com is dead, Try KratomChat.com instead

from: anonymous
date: Jan. 26th, 2009 10:56 am (UTC)
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Thanks for getting our board out there Glitter :)

http://kratomconnoisseurs.com

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kratom or phenocane for pain

from: jeley
date: Mar. 16th, 2010 07:44 am (UTC)
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hi glitterophelia :)

Be Real careful with these. Kratom is a good pain killer as well as helping you get off of other things, but it can also be addictive. read more about it here: http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&safe=off&q=kratom&aql=&oq=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn and http://google2.fda.gov/search?q=kratom&x=0&y=0&client=FDAgov&site=FDAgov&lr=&proxystylesheet=FDAgov&output=xml_no_dtd&getfields=*

Phenocane is a brand name used by supplement makers, and usually denotes the combination of the ingredients curcumin, boswellia and phenylalanine.

There has been some preliminary research done on these substances, some of it conflicting. Curcumin may help reduce inflammation the same way drugs like aspirin and ibuprofen do. This may help relieve joint pain in people with osteoarthritis and rheumatoid arthritis. Preliminary data, although conflicting, also suggests that boswellia may also help reduce joint pain in these people.

These supplements are not to be used indiscriminately. There are warnings people with arthritis need to be aware of. Some of these supplements may contain a substance called nattokinase, a mild ‘blood clot breaker’. It is inserted by some manufacturers for added protection against blood clots. The safety and effectiveness of this ingredient has not been tested and can place certain people at a higher risk for bleeds. Likewise, the ingredient curcumin may act as a sort of ‘blood thinner’ placing some people at a higher risk for bleeds.

Phenocane: Phenylalanine is not without its problems. This ingredient was originally made popular by use in diet soda. There is evidence now that this ingredient may contribute to neurotoxicity - may be toxic to the brain and nervous system.

Before trying these supplements, talk to your doctor or pharmacist. They may prove helpful in the treatment of arthritis down the road, but the safety and efficacy of these ingredients has not been demonstrated.

Some natural organic pain killers are:

Researchers found that eating 3 g of fish fats a day relieved the joint pain, inflammation, and morning stiffness associated with rheumatoid arthritis (RA) and reduced the drug requirement. ...striking reduction in the number of tender joints and increase in the time span before fatigue appeared.

Olive oil's been found to contain a natural chemical that acts like the anti-inflammatory pain killer ibuprofen. The active ingredient in olive oil is oleocanthal, which influences the same biochemical pathway as ibuprofen and other non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs). Researchers concluded that 50 gram of extra-virgin olive oil was comparable to about 10 per cent of the ibuprofen dose recommended for adult pain relief. Regular olive oil consumption is expected to provide some of the long-lasting benefits of ibuprofen.

According to researchers at MSU, eating about 20 tart cherries may relieve pain better than aspirin and may exhibit antioxidant properties comparable to supplements like vitamin E. Daily consumption of cherries has shown potential to reduce pain related to inflammation, arthritis and gout.

Saliva has been found to generate a natural painkiller of up to six times more strength than morphine... similar to opiorphin and has been said to generate a new class of natural painkillers that are far better than the traditional drug morphine.

White willow bark decreases pain by blocking the production of inflammatory prostaglandins. White willow bark provides all pain-relieving benefits of aspirin. Conventionally it's safer then aspirin and other synthetically derived salicylate anti-inflammatory drugs. No contra-indications and serious side effects have been reported by medical science. It's said to provide relief for headache, toothache, backache or arthritis. ..Should not be taken with aspirin or by people who sensitive to salicylates. Should be avoided by people with gastritis or ulcers or suppository form only.

There are more, but you get the idea. You need to be Very Careful, even with "natural", because that doesn't always mean "organic" OR Safe. For more info, you can go to the fda website or http://stopbackpaincausenow.com for more natural back pain information. Take care.

Julie

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Re: kratom or phenocane for pain

from: glitterophelia
date: Sep. 3rd, 2010 11:07 am (UTC)
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I am aware that kratom can be addictive. however, if you stick only to the pain leaf like I do, the addiction possibilities are pretty rare as far as I know, it's when you get into the extracts and the stuff that's more powerful that you can easily get addicted (and it's a LOT more expensive too). I can take kratom for a month or two and take a month or two off with absolutely no consequences. It works well for me for the most part. Thank you for the other information! I didn't know about the cherries or Saliva (that's not salvia is it?) or white willow bark. good to know. I can't find that other painkiller I mentioned in this town so I haven't gotten it in a couple of years now. Only the kratom, which I order online from time to time when I have a little extra money or the pain is just excruiciating.

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from: qassatan
date: Jan. 5th, 2011 05:18 pm (UTC)
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Mom is using some kind of a kratom extract bought from internet too ($18 an ounce) but she can't afford to use it daily so I wonder if there is a cheaper replacement for this herbal painkiller.

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from: glitterophelia
date: Jan. 5th, 2011 05:22 pm (UTC)
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If she buys kratom in powder form it would be cheaper. It's not as strong, but it still works. Additionally kratom extract has more of a tendancy to be addictive, so she might want to stick to plain leaf. make sure she gets the kind that's finely ground, it's yucky to take it but it's cheaper and I find it works better for me than the extracts do, but that's just me.

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from: skmedlin79
date: Sep. 21st, 2012 09:13 pm (UTC)
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Try www.needymeds.com

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